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red_knight · Posted: 02 Oct 2006 19:02 Post subject: ...

makkit, you know your nationality ... (i guess...)

But to say that you are Macedonian is blasphemy ...

Macedonia is sacred and very old land to take any advantage from our history...

USA, in the spirit of "divide and conquer" are trying to mess all the Balkans (Albania riots, war with Serbs, creation of FYROM, birth of Bosnia/Herzegovina monster, independent Kosovo tomorrow?...)

You took some crumbs of bread from the table of USA and you think you won the lotto... wait some years, when USA wont need you, to see the other side of the coin... history repeats herself...

When you'll need help, you'll see that you have only enemies around, or ppl that just don't like you... and with the fact that you have a big and solid Albanian minority in your "nation" i think that you'll have real real big troubles in the future...

"if you see your neighbors house on fire, is stupid not to help him, cos the fire will burn your house also" ... see Serbia and Kosovo issue

i close with some words of ancient wise men about Macedonia :
(some thousand years before any Slavs tribes visit the area)

Herodotus (historian) : "The descendants of Perdikas, the first Macedonian King are Hellines (Greeks), as they want it and as i know it...

Stravon (geographer) : "It is one, Hellas (Greece) and Macedonia"

Thoukidides (historian) : "Macedonians are various Hellenic (Greek) tribes, under the rule of a King"

Polivios (poet-author) : "What a proper and great honour must pay to the Macedonians, who fight first the barbarians on their borders, all their life, for the safety of all Hellas (Greece)"

Arrianos (first biographer of Alexander the Great) says in his book that Alexander, after the battle of Granikos, sended 300 armours & shields of Persians to Athens (not to Vergina, his capital city) with the message: "from Alexander of Philippus and the Greeks -except Spartans- who took this weapons from barbarians of Asia"

... want more ???
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Масимо · Posted: 02 Oct 2006 19:36 Post subject:

Offtopic, but i have to ask...
What is your opinion and how do you [and rest of the Greek nation] feel about Bizantium heritage, and do you consider Bizantium history as your own?

red_knight · Posted: 02 Oct 2006 19:53 Post subject: ...about Byzantium

I don't know about all Greeks, but i'll tell you very shortly mine:

The Byzantine Empire, was the Eastern Roman Empire, made from Romans in the Hellenic (more or less) geographicall territory

Ofcourse, as the Roman empire, the Byzantine Empire also was "occupied" and influenced by Hellenic spirit and civilization

After the 9th century, and specially after the called "Macedonian Emperors" dynasty (Vasilios A' - Leon ST' the wise - Nikiforos Fokas - Vasilios B' the Boulgar-killer - Romanos C' and others) the name: Eastern Roman Empire, is replaced by "Byzantine Empire" in official documents and the Greek language is replacing the Latins as official language of the State.

Ofcourse always the Emperor was: "Emperor of Romans and Greeks" ... even Konstantine Palaiologos (1453) in his last speech says: Let's show to these animals (Turks), that they wont fight with someone like them, but with their masters, sons of Greeks and Romans

As far as i am concerned, Konstantinople, is the modern cradle of Hellenism, is a sacred symbol, religious and historical
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red_knight · Posted: 02 Oct 2006 20:20 Post subject: ...mistake...

I must correct something that i wrote and it isn't true (i am not a historian... ok? hehehhee)

I wrote that the name : "Eastern Roman Empire" (or "Roman Empire" after Rome destroyed by barbarian hordes) was replaced by "Byzantine Empire" which is not true, it was never written in official documents.

The term "Byzantine Empire" was first published in 1562 by a Frank priest (Jeronimo Wolf) in order of the Othomans to cut the occupied Christians from their Greek and Roman past. To change history-name so it would be easier to corrupt and "change" them... (it reminds me something)...
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red_knight · Posted: 02 Oct 2006 20:27 Post subject: :)

Lakedaimona (Hellenic Sparta) + Srbska Sparta = My Dream

Smile

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ELLAS - SERVIA - SYMMAXIA !!!!!
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Масимо · Posted: 02 Oct 2006 20:32 Post subject:

I wanted to ask you that... Do Greeks consider Constantinople [or Carigrad Wink

] as Greek City... For example, i know that many Serbs consider Skadar for Serbian city.

I don`t know english word for Skadar Embarassed

red_knight · Posted: 02 Oct 2006 20:35 Post subject: ...another mistake, but not mine...

red_knight · Posted: 02 Oct 2006 20:50 Post subject:

Масимо · Posted: 02 Oct 2006 21:05 Post subject:

Respect.

cabron · Posted: 02 Oct 2006 21:20 Post subject:

Масимо · Posted: 02 Oct 2006 21:36 Post subject:

red_knight · Posted: 02 Oct 2006 21:57 Post subject: ok

Ok, let's start some history lessons then ...

Ofcourse, the geographical territory you describe, was Greek, even from 1200 bc aprox. from the first and second (800 bc) waves of colonization.

i'll name some important ancient greek colonies to imagine the impact of this colonization today:

-Kohlis (Batoumi-Georgia)
-Tomoi (Costanta-Romania)
-Ilion (as known Troy)
-Emporion (near Barcelona-Spain)
-Many cities of Russian Crimea Peninsula, even today have Greek names
-Neapoli (Naples-Italy)
-Odessa...
-Kimi (now ruins, the first Greek colony in Italy, Metropolis was the ancient Greek city Graia [in Voiotia area today], the "Italian" natives called "Graecians" these stangers, then in Latin "Graecus", now "Greeks")
-Phocea (Marseile-France)
-All major today Sicilian cities were former Greek colonies, and many in today Italy
-All major today Asia Minor cities, impossible to write, countless

Also, Greeks were from different, let's say "tribes" cos those days it was the City-State not nations as we know them today.

Athens, Sparta, Thiba, Korinthos, Argos, Nikopolis, Filipoi, Creta, are some famous and their colonies also together... they were and felt Greeks, but they fought each other ALL the time ...
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cabron · Posted: 02 Oct 2006 22:14 Post subject:

you dont have to border i pass that exam and as for others serbian speeking members of this forum who are interesting in subject i can recomend some very good books in serbian

late profesor of belgrades university fanula papzoglu wrote very nice book about philip and alexander and helenistic period.the name is history of helenizm/istorija helenizma

and as for bizantyn empire, prof. georgie ostrogorski, one of founders of serbian bizantology institute, russian refuggie, wrote history of bizantyn empire/istorija vizantije

that is enough for start, of course who is interesting in some later periods has to do some more reading, so we can do it on pp
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